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	<title>Comments on: Starting Fate</title>
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		<title>By: Tyciol</title>
		<link>http://pontif.us/2009/03/04/starting-fate/comment-page-1/#comment-3087</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyciol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought Rin was popular, she&#039;s the one people admire but can&#039;t truly befriend due to her lack of openness. Kind of like Kare Kano</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought Rin was popular, she&#8217;s the one people admire but can&#8217;t truly befriend due to her lack of openness. Kind of like Kare Kano</p>
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		<title>By: Nazarielle</title>
		<link>http://pontif.us/2009/03/04/starting-fate/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Nazarielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, yes, I was also really pleased how the prologue started out following Rin. There&#039;s so much content and plenty of stuff to discuss, so I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll enjoy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, yes, I was also really pleased how the prologue started out following Rin. There&#8217;s so much content and plenty of stuff to discuss, so I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll enjoy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pontifus</title>
		<link>http://pontif.us/2009/03/04/starting-fate/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Pontifus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Owen

It&#039;s safe to say that my awareness of interesting threads of meaning has been raised by you and IKnight&#039;s odysseys through &lt;i&gt;F/sn&lt;/i&gt; (though I have yet to really read through your posts on it for fear of spoilers). I have expectations now, and fortunately &lt;i&gt;F/sn&lt;/i&gt; seems inclined to cooperate with me in fulfilling them.

@Cuchlann

I suppose my liking of &quot;clever&quot; domain names borders on unhealthy at this point. I have played one visual novel before -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ever_17&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt; -- though I didn&#039;t get farther than a few hours in, so I&#039;m essentially new to the genre as well. To be Super Fanicom-relevant, one thing I&#039;m trying to figure out is to what degree they work like other video games.

@Martin

Ah, I like complicated magic systems. Or maybe it&#039;s that I strongly dislike overly simple magic systems.

Yeah, I&#039;m really hoping I accidentally run into some foreshadowing. I&#039;m doing a note-keeping blog in part to have a record of what I think of little seemingly-minor things all along; I figure it&#039;ll be easier to bring everything together into cohesive analysis this way, and hopefully I&#039;ll be surprised at how relevant some things turn out to be. Saves me the trouble of rewatching!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Owen</p>
<p>It&#8217;s safe to say that my awareness of interesting threads of meaning has been raised by you and IKnight&#8217;s odysseys through <i>F/sn</i> (though I have yet to really read through your posts on it for fear of spoilers). I have expectations now, and fortunately <i>F/sn</i> seems inclined to cooperate with me in fulfilling them.</p>
<p>@Cuchlann</p>
<p>I suppose my liking of &#8220;clever&#8221; domain names borders on unhealthy at this point. I have played one visual novel before &#8212; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ever_17" rel="nofollow">this one</a> &#8212; though I didn&#8217;t get farther than a few hours in, so I&#8217;m essentially new to the genre as well. To be Super Fanicom-relevant, one thing I&#8217;m trying to figure out is to what degree they work like other video games.</p>
<p>@Martin</p>
<p>Ah, I like complicated magic systems. Or maybe it&#8217;s that I strongly dislike overly simple magic systems.</p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m really hoping I accidentally run into some foreshadowing. I&#8217;m doing a note-keeping blog in part to have a record of what I think of little seemingly-minor things all along; I figure it&#8217;ll be easier to bring everything together into cohesive analysis this way, and hopefully I&#8217;ll be surprised at how relevant some things turn out to be. Saves me the trouble of rewatching!</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://pontif.us/2009/03/04/starting-fate/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the same impression with the intro as you did - what really struck me was how long the whole thing was! I&#039;d watched the TV adaptation (which is basically the Fate route with one or two bits borrowed from the other two) already but I&#039;d never played a VN at the time. Nor am I a gamer either, so the way it ate up my free time for who knows how many days/weeks was a bit of a shock. Not that it put me off starting Tsukihime afterwards!

It&#039;s mentioned (but in fairness not really shown) that Rin is popular at school, but Shinji Matou is a bit of a git. In fact he seems to plumb further into the scummy depths of bastard-ness as the game progresses. Honestly, you&#039;ll hate his yellow guts by the end. The magic seems to have quite a complex set of mechanics behind it, a bit like Earthsea&#039;s; it&#039;s like a science of its own, with rules and arcane terminology. Quite fascinating really.

The fourth screenie is an example of how the game tosses in little details that don&#039;t really register at the time but looking back are cheeky little hints of what&#039;s to follow; you seem more adept at spotting things like that than I am so I&#039;m looking forward to seeing how you get on! Yeah, every bugger seems to be playing it but that doesn&#039;t detract from the fact that it&#039;s excellent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the same impression with the intro as you did &#8211; what really struck me was how long the whole thing was! I&#8217;d watched the TV adaptation (which is basically the Fate route with one or two bits borrowed from the other two) already but I&#8217;d never played a VN at the time. Nor am I a gamer either, so the way it ate up my free time for who knows how many days/weeks was a bit of a shock. Not that it put me off starting Tsukihime afterwards!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s mentioned (but in fairness not really shown) that Rin is popular at school, but Shinji Matou is a bit of a git. In fact he seems to plumb further into the scummy depths of bastard-ness as the game progresses. Honestly, you&#8217;ll hate his yellow guts by the end. The magic seems to have quite a complex set of mechanics behind it, a bit like Earthsea&#8217;s; it&#8217;s like a science of its own, with rules and arcane terminology. Quite fascinating really.</p>
<p>The fourth screenie is an example of how the game tosses in little details that don&#8217;t really register at the time but looking back are cheeky little hints of what&#8217;s to follow; you seem more adept at spotting things like that than I am so I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing how you get on! Yeah, every bugger seems to be playing it but that doesn&#8217;t detract from the fact that it&#8217;s excellent.</p>
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		<title>By: Cuchlann</title>
		<link>http://pontif.us/2009/03/04/starting-fate/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Cuchlann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really like that broken-up URL gag, don&#039;t you?  :D  Anyway, this is interesting, even though I don&#039;t think my constitution is made for visual novels.  I&#039;ve tried a few.  Maybe I&#039;ll try this one anyway, since everyone and their tiny little dog is playing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really like that broken-up URL gag, don&#8217;t you?  :D  Anyway, this is interesting, even though I don&#8217;t think my constitution is made for visual novels.  I&#8217;ve tried a few.  Maybe I&#8217;ll try this one anyway, since everyone and their tiny little dog is playing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen S</title>
		<link>http://pontif.us/2009/03/04/starting-fate/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First! I hope.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Does immeasurable equal meaningless, then? Or, rather, does someone who focuses on the immeasurable lead a meaningless existence?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Strike one!

&lt;blockquote&gt;Surely Rin doesn’t believe this, and she’s just cynically echoing the opinion of society.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Strike two!

&lt;blockquote&gt;Where’s the meaning in doing a meaningless thing?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Strike three!

I believe you&#039;ve just broken the bank, dear sir. This VN was made for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First! I hope.</p>
<blockquote><p>Does immeasurable equal meaningless, then? Or, rather, does someone who focuses on the immeasurable lead a meaningless existence?</p></blockquote>
<p>Strike one!</p>
<blockquote><p>Surely Rin doesn’t believe this, and she’s just cynically echoing the opinion of society.</p></blockquote>
<p>Strike two!</p>
<blockquote><p>Where’s the meaning in doing a meaningless thing?</p></blockquote>
<p>Strike three!</p>
<p>I believe you&#8217;ve just broken the bank, dear sir. This VN was made for you.</p>
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