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		<title>By: Ubiquitial</title>
		<link>http://pontif.us/2009/08/18/finishing-fate-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-582</link>
		<dc:creator>Ubiquitial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, F/sn has a more complex plot, and an entire universe ( the &#039;Nasuverse&#039;) to go along with it. So obviously you&#039;re gonna need some time to digest all that information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, F/sn has a more complex plot, and an entire universe ( the &#8216;Nasuverse&#8217;) to go along with it. So obviously you&#8217;re gonna need some time to digest all that information.</p>
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		<title>By: Pontifus</title>
		<link>http://pontif.us/2009/08/18/finishing-fate-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-249</link>
		<dc:creator>Pontifus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may yet write a post about Sakura in particular, but if I do I can&#039;t say it&#039;d be soon, as that would probably stray into Superfani territory. Mentioning that Kannagi thing would be mandatory, though. I&#039;ve been wanting an excuse to go on about how stupid all that was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may yet write a post about Sakura in particular, but if I do I can&#8217;t say it&#8217;d be soon, as that would probably stray into Superfani territory. Mentioning that Kannagi thing would be mandatory, though. I&#8217;ve been wanting an excuse to go on about how stupid all that was.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen S</title>
		<link>http://pontif.us/2009/08/18/finishing-fate-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Sakura, will you be writing something about her virginity, or lack of? Otherwise, the 2ch-Kannagi furore of yore should point you in the writ- I mean, right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Sakura, will you be writing something about her virginity, or lack of? Otherwise, the 2ch-Kannagi furore of yore should point you in the writ- I mean, right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen S</title>
		<link>http://pontif.us/2009/08/18/finishing-fate-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, if it&#039;s any consolation, Umineko happens to be a visual novel with no path choices--in other words, all you do is press the spacebar key for about 12 hours (with breaks; that&#039;s how long it took me to read the first episode, but I read it very quickly due to the natural and exceedingly well-written dialogue). While thinking furiously. Every single murder mystery you&#039;ve ever read, including but not limited to things like body doubles, corpse swaps, closed room murders, hiding places... they&#039;ll all help, I reckon.

Again, I&#039;ve got to stress this--Umineko&#039;s translation is above and beyond F/sn&#039;s in terms of sheer readability. With F/sn I felt like I could never go too fast, especially during conversations between characters, but Umineko found me speeding through them like they were spoken. Plus Umineko&#039;s a lot... lighter? Hmm. No, I wouldn&#039;t say that it&#039;s lighter &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt;, just that it&#039;s a lot less heavy when compared to F/sn in terms of weight and density. Works different muscles, a lot of them involving that murder mystery thing. Excellent writing that fleshes out the characters very well despite the huge cast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, if it&#8217;s any consolation, Umineko happens to be a visual novel with no path choices&#8211;in other words, all you do is press the spacebar key for about 12 hours (with breaks; that&#8217;s how long it took me to read the first episode, but I read it very quickly due to the natural and exceedingly well-written dialogue). While thinking furiously. Every single murder mystery you&#8217;ve ever read, including but not limited to things like body doubles, corpse swaps, closed room murders, hiding places&#8230; they&#8217;ll all help, I reckon.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;ve got to stress this&#8211;Umineko&#8217;s translation is above and beyond F/sn&#8217;s in terms of sheer readability. With F/sn I felt like I could never go too fast, especially during conversations between characters, but Umineko found me speeding through them like they were spoken. Plus Umineko&#8217;s a lot&#8230; lighter? Hmm. No, I wouldn&#8217;t say that it&#8217;s lighter <i>per se</i>, just that it&#8217;s a lot less heavy when compared to F/sn in terms of weight and density. Works different muscles, a lot of them involving that murder mystery thing. Excellent writing that fleshes out the characters very well despite the huge cast.</p>
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		<title>By: Pontifus</title>
		<link>http://pontif.us/2009/08/18/finishing-fate-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>Pontifus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man. The unreliable narrator must be a great device in the context of the VN (I&#039;m a fan of it anyway). I&#039;ll have to check that out.

Though, granted, it may be months from now, as was the case when you recommended F/sn. I do that sometimes.

I hadn&#039;t seen that post of yours, but I think I should be able to work it into my analysis of analyses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man. The unreliable narrator must be a great device in the context of the VN (I&#8217;m a fan of it anyway). I&#8217;ll have to check that out.</p>
<p>Though, granted, it may be months from now, as was the case when you recommended F/sn. I do that sometimes.</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t seen that post of yours, but I think I should be able to work it into my analysis of analyses.</p>
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		<title>By: Pontifus</title>
		<link>http://pontif.us/2009/08/18/finishing-fate-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>Pontifus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I hauled ass through UBW and HF. Nothing much better to do while waiting for school to start, and they were quite entertaining.

The thing about Sakura, I think, is that we see her deal with such a wide variety of situations, and fall the hell apart in more than one way. I&#039;m not sure Saber and Rin are picked apart the same way she is. I was fully prepared to view her as a flat Shirou admirer, but I didn&#039;t think that was at all necessary. If anything, I thought Rin fell flat in comparison during HF.

I suppose offing her would&#039;ve been the quick and practical thing to do, but that wouldn&#039;t have finished off Angra Mainyu, I don&#039;t think. They had to take out the Great Holy Grail. Granted, they didn&#039;t really know all that until near the end; somehow Shirou managed to finish things up in the most comprehensive way possible on accident.

Morality&#039;s just hard to talk about in general. In fact, I think that&#039;s part of what makes HF so complex; everyone has a different opinion on what&#039;s good and what&#039;s bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I hauled ass through UBW and HF. Nothing much better to do while waiting for school to start, and they were quite entertaining.</p>
<p>The thing about Sakura, I think, is that we see her deal with such a wide variety of situations, and fall the hell apart in more than one way. I&#8217;m not sure Saber and Rin are picked apart the same way she is. I was fully prepared to view her as a flat Shirou admirer, but I didn&#8217;t think that was at all necessary. If anything, I thought Rin fell flat in comparison during HF.</p>
<p>I suppose offing her would&#8217;ve been the quick and practical thing to do, but that wouldn&#8217;t have finished off Angra Mainyu, I don&#8217;t think. They had to take out the Great Holy Grail. Granted, they didn&#8217;t really know all that until near the end; somehow Shirou managed to finish things up in the most comprehensive way possible on accident.</p>
<p>Morality&#8217;s just hard to talk about in general. In fact, I think that&#8217;s part of what makes HF so complex; everyone has a different opinion on what&#8217;s good and what&#8217;s bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen S</title>
		<link>http://pontif.us/2009/08/18/finishing-fate-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 04:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Play Umineko, please. It uses an amalgam of the unreliable narrator(s) and murder mystery devices, set in the When They Cry tradition (c.f. Higurashi et al)!

Plus they&#039;re done with all the question arcs (episodes 1-4), so now has never been a better time to begin.

Further analysis about F/sn &lt;a href=&quot;http://omaemo.dasaku.net/2008/12/28/2008-in-review-the-only-moment-they-were-alone/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; should you have missed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Play Umineko, please. It uses an amalgam of the unreliable narrator(s) and murder mystery devices, set in the When They Cry tradition (c.f. Higurashi et al)!</p>
<p>Plus they&#8217;re done with all the question arcs (episodes 1-4), so now has never been a better time to begin.</p>
<p>Further analysis about F/sn <a href="http://omaemo.dasaku.net/2008/12/28/2008-in-review-the-only-moment-they-were-alone/" rel="nofollow">here</a> should you have missed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nazarielle</title>
		<link>http://pontif.us/2009/08/18/finishing-fate-for-real/comment-page-1/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>Nazarielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, you sure enjoyed FSN, and especially HF, that was really quick. :p Maybe I&#039;m just a jerk, but I found it very hard to feel much sympathy for Sakura. I was pretty much on the same page as Rin, kill the destroyer of the world and move on.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Shirou, on the other hand, favors judgment based on the outcome of the being’s actions&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The problem with morality is that it&#039;s almost always subjective. Good and evil are relative to who, what, and when you&#039;re talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, you sure enjoyed FSN, and especially HF, that was really quick. :p Maybe I&#8217;m just a jerk, but I found it very hard to feel much sympathy for Sakura. I was pretty much on the same page as Rin, kill the destroyer of the world and move on.</p>
<blockquote><p>Shirou, on the other hand, favors judgment based on the outcome of the being’s actions</p></blockquote>
<p>The problem with morality is that it&#8217;s almost always subjective. Good and evil are relative to who, what, and when you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
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